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  glencro (glencro) 6-Zenith Username: glencro Post Number: 1051 Registered: 4-2004 |
This music journalist is compiling a list of 100 albums you better have for the next 100 days along with reviews. Stay tuned, should be interesting http://www.prayzehymnonline.co m/articles_100albumsyoubetterh aveorelse01.html | ||
glencro (glencro) 6-Zenith Username: glencro Post Number: 1056 Registered: 4-2004 |
This list is getting interesting | ||
stephanie (stephanie) 6-Zenith Username: stephanie Post Number: 2819 Registered: 2-2005 |
I want to see KevGo do something like this I really enjoyed this guys reviews. | ||
Juicefree20 (juicefree20) 6-Zenith Username: juicefree20 Post Number: 14315 Registered: 4-2004 |
Choosing Aretha's "Never Loved A Man" at #94 makes me wonder how old the reviewer is & if he's old enough to have actually lived through those times. It seems to me as though this gentleman's understanding of the impact that Aretha made with that LP is very understated, as well as underrated. He also underrates Isaac's "Hot Buttered Soul" LP, which was one of the LPs that served to make Soul LPs marketable & required listening on FM & Pop Radio. Both of these LPs were trend-setters upon their release & both were HUGE Pop hits. In the case of Aretha, the LP was #1 POP for 14 WEEKS & ushered in what Time Magazine declared to be "The Summer Of Soul" & David Llorens of Ebony Magazine declared that summer to be all about "'Retha, Rap & Revolt". Aretha's LP helped to kick down the doors for unabashed Soul on the Pop charts & to the masses. In the case of Isaac, the LP was also a #1 Pop hit & remained at that position for 10 weeks. Isaac's LP was also significant in introducing extended raps on songs, extending the length of songs, as well as the style of arrangements & orchestrations. Both LPs remained on the Pop charts for over 60 weeks & had significant impact & influence on both the Soul & Pop charts, as well as how music was made. Because of the innovative aspects of both of these LPs, I believe that the writer of the article totally missed the mark by rating them so low. If I didn't know any better, I'd believe that the writer was born somewhere around 1979 & therefore totally missed what made both of these LPs so significant, simply because he's doing a rehash of what he's HEARD or read about those LP & those days, rather than what he actually experienced & what actually occurred. It's hard for some to truly evaluate & understand the importance of certain works & events if they didn't live through those particular times. And already it's evident to me that he simply wasn't there back then & lacks a certain perspective as to what made or makes certain music 'important'. And if he was actually old enough to have lived through & understand those times, then it appears as though he's forgotten an awful lot. Seriously, when a guy rates "Colour By Numbers" (which Boy George notwithstanding) really added nothing to (please pardon the pun) culture, nor the advancement of musical excellence or any grand social commentary, over "Hot Buttered Soul" & "The World Is A Ghetto", then, I really don't know what to say about logic such as that. How did he miss "C Is For Cookie" for it's importance to little kids & their development of social skills? I mean, come on. "Colour By Numbers" was an LP that had a couple of nice & cute but VERY light-in-the-ass songs. I find nothing on that LP which can truly stand up next to the greatest Pop, Rock or even Dance classics & as an LP, I don't believe that it can hold it's own with Gary Lewis & The Playboys. As I said, pleasant dance music, but certainly not more noteworthy than The Thompson Twins, 52nd Street, Loose Ends or 100 other groups from the UK during that period who did it & in my opinion a hell of a lot better than George & the boys did. Sounds like another list written by a writer whom writes about music from an 80s sensibility & to paraphrase another 'great' LP from the guys who gave us "Colour By Numbers", is "WRITING To Be Clever". Of the thousands of great & classic LPs that have been recorded, "Colour By Numbers" is one of the 100 that society "MUST" have OR ELSE?!?!? In what deranged parallel universe might that be? I shudder to think about what the countdown from 92 to 1 will bring us. But, if it's the usual pap which seeks to explain why Luke & The 2 Live Crew were lyrical geniuses whom were simply great commentators on their times, I'm going to scream. Then come here & write about it. I can hardly wait. (Message edited by juicefree20 on June 02, 2010) | ||
Glenn S (glenn_s) 3-Pundit Username: glenn_s Post Number: 45 Registered: 7-2009 |
Juice, I agree with what you said about culture club. In the top 100???? BTW, the writer states the albums are in no particular order. | ||
Motown_Fan (motown_fan) 6-Zenith Username: motown_fan Post Number: 4556 Registered: 9-2006 |
Why not wait until he finishes his list before commenting? | ||
Juicefree20 (juicefree20) 6-Zenith Username: juicefree20 Post Number: 14317 Registered: 4-2004 |
Glenn S: Thanks for pointing that out, as that totally slipped by me. It kinda strikes me as funny in that while the list is presented moving from lower to higher, it has no particular order. As far as the need to comment, I did so for 5 reasons which I need not explain, but will. 1. Because I can 2. Because I felt like it 3. Because it's a forum & we respond when & about what we choose to, not when someone decides that it's appropriate for us to do so 4. Because I felt like it 5. See numbers 1 - 4 Just as his list has no particular order to it, likewise there's no reason to have to wait until it's complete before offering an opinion of it. The only thing which might prevent me from commenting on his list is the fact which Glenn S pointed out about the list being in "no particular order". In my opinion that's a MAJOR cop-out on behalf of the writer because he HAS presented his list in a "particular order". And as the writer HAS indeed assigned both a numerical value, as well as an order to his list, I'm taking it exactly as he's presenting it. Once you assign the numbers 98 to "Hot Buttered Soul", 97 to "The World Is A Ghetto" & 93 to "Saturday Night Fever", you are indeed compiling a list based upon numbers & are implying a certain order to your selections. Am I supposed to believe that by the time he gets to the #1 LP, that it would be no different or meritorious than whatever turns out to be #45 on his list? I doubt that. If his list had no particular number value to it then why wouldn't he have gone with obvious choices such as "James Brown Live At The Apollo", "What's Goin' On" or "Shaft" straight out the box, I mean, since the list is in "no particular order"? That's a cop-out because whenever a list such as this is compiled there's no such thing as it not having a "particular order". If so then it's going to be pretty interesting when we get to the Top 10. I'm not buying it & for those who are, I have a couple of New York's finest bridges that I'm willing to sell you at a more than reasonable price. I decided to comment on it because I actually read each of the full reviews of the LPs & read the thinking behind the choices. And having lived, actually experienced the 60s through the 80s & DJed in 2 of those decades, for anyone to purport that "Colour By Numbers" is one of the "must have" LPs or that it's a "a keynote of 1980s music", is kinda funny to me. George got over & we know why he got over back then & we also see how short-lived it was. I stand by what I said. It was a cute LP with a couple of real good dance cuts ("Miss Me Blind" was great), with a bunch of equally light-in-the-ass Pop pablum. I wouldn't rate it anywhere within the Top 100 Pop, Rock, Dance, House or R&B of the '80s. And when I think of all of the great R&B, Soul, Pop & Rock LPs from the 60s - forward, no matter how it's explained away, it simply offends my sensibilities that tripe such as "Colour By Numbers" be mentioned anywhere next to that great music. The fact that it is merits commentary & there's no timetable for it. And THAT'S what I'm commenting about...it's inclusion on a top 100 list & that the writer deems what's a rather ordinary LP to be so noteworthy as to be mentioned side-by-side with true classics. We ain't exactly talking about The Spinners 1st Atlantic Lp, nor The Stylistics "Round 2" here, now are we? As I said, there were a whole lot of groups of the 80s who absolutely kicked the hell out of Culture Club. Oh & before anyone chimes in with a comment about what a "great" singer Boy George was, I recall the show where Luther wiped up the floor with a totally outclassed & overwhelmed Boy George. The only way that Culture Club should be in ANY Top 100 list is if they purchase a ticket for admission. But in fairness, if there's any solace they did sing better than I, so perhaps me, George & the fellas can purchase our tickets together. | ||
TAMLA617 (tamla617) 5-Doyen Username: tamla617 Post Number: 372 Registered: 1-2009 |
everyone's list is going to have........ albums we like albums we dont like,but can see why they are included albums we dont like and dont understand why they are included and albums! i dont think there is a definitive list,if a 1000 people voted there would be albums missing,that i like.doesn't mean a thing.i wonder how many album collections belonging to sdf people exactly match another's. it's none! but it's interesting to see someones idea of a 100 albums they cant do without.it also makes me think to listen to stuff i might /wouldnt have bothered with. a number 1 album is one thing,what would be the difference between the 100th and 75th albums(the answer isnt 25 BTW)which is probably why it isnt a chart and just their 100 best,and you cant argue with that,bet you try tho',better still give us yer top 100 | ||
Juicefree20 (juicefree20) 6-Zenith Username: juicefree20 Post Number: 14318 Registered: 4-2004 |
Tamla: With all due respect, this isn't about me & my choices, as I'm not the one who decided to attempt to tell anyone what 100 LPs they "MUST OWN OR ELSE". I've never attempted to embark on such a thing simply because I realize that there is simply too much great music to ever try to pin myself down to such a limited & hopeless choice. But since the writer decided to do so, I have an equal right to offer my opinion, pro or con about what he chose. If he has the right to write such a list, I have just as much right to comment on it & I don't have to come up with my equally hopeless list in order to justify my opinion about his. When "Colour By numbers" is offered up on ANY Top 100 list by anyone who wants to be taken seriously, then I need justify nothing. The choice speaks for itself. I DIDN'T decide to come up with a list. HE DID. He's offering up an opinion & as such, I reserve the right to comment on it, just as I would about all of those stupid Rolling Stone lists, which have traditionally seemed to be written by a bunch of musically myopic "experts', which always seems to come from the pens of Rock & Pop lovers, or the recent tendency of younger writers to believe that only songs recorded from the 80s forward to be of musical merit. In my opinion, given the countless innovative & truly great LPs which have come our way since the '60's, by no reasonable yardstick would "Colour By Numbers" be regarded as a Top 100 "Must Have". And it's hard for me to take serious the musical merit of any reviewer who would assert that it is. This list is similar to those "What are your 10 favorite records of All-Time" list, but without the merit. Exactly what makes any particular LP a "Must Have"? What is the criteria? Are we talking about LPs that changed the way that music is made? Are we talking about something that while danceable is basically nothing more than grabbing the latest fad, a fad by the way which as is the case with so many Disco LPs, renders an LP pretty much useless once the fad passes? Considering all of the great music that's been around that I love, how could I reduce it to a list of 100. More than that, why would I even want to reduce my choices to 100, much less attempt to choose between 1000's of songs, most of which I love almost equally for varying reasons? How could anyone ever how to win with a list that is purely open to subjectivity? But if & when I decide to compile a list such as that that, you can be certain that "Colour by Numbers" will be nowhere within my Top 500 LPs. Subjectivity being what it is, can you tell me if it would appear on your Top 100 list? | ||
Motown_Fan (motown_fan) 6-Zenith Username: motown_fan Post Number: 4562 Registered: 9-2006 |
Good points, Tamla, I'd rather see a finished list, | ||
Pshark (pshark) 6-Zenith Username: pshark Post Number: 2632 Registered: 1-2007 |
Whats The 411 is a good cd, but not good enough to be on a top 100 "must have" list | ||
marxthespot (marxthespot) 6-Zenith Username: marxthespot Post Number: 3078 Registered: 3-2005 |
These lists are so arbitrary....Rolling Stone has done several, the UK magazine's "Q" & Mojo do these lists periodically.... All you are getting is the OPINION of the person(s) putting together these lists .....Big friggin' deal... | ||
Juicefree20 (juicefree20) 6-Zenith Username: juicefree20 Post Number: 14319 Registered: 4-2004 |
I don't need to see a complete list to comment on the inclusion of that specific LP on any list which suggests its importance. Nor do I need to see a complete list in order to comment about the reasoning behind its placement on said list. And if this list is allegedly "not in any specific order", then exactly what's the point? I've never read a list of "The Top Whatever", which didn't have some sort of order in terms of importance & relevance being involved. Saying that it's in "no particular order" is a convenient way to skirt the potential of controversy for the choices made. I look forward to the remainder of the list as well. In no particular order, of course. | ||
splanky (splanky) 6-Zenith Username: splanky Post Number: 3318 Registered: 12-2005 |
How anyone can decide what everyone else "better have", "better hear", "better view" or "better do" is all so much "musterbation" to me... | ||
Motown_Fan (motown_fan) 6-Zenith Username: motown_fan Post Number: 4563 Registered: 9-2006 |
Telling other people what albums they should own or like is why I stopped reviewing in the first place. My own biases were often showing and I knew it. Everybody likes some kind of music, but they don't necessarily have to like what I like. That list is the writer's personal choice. He's put his personal opinions on the line. If you disagree, contact him and tell him. He would probably welcome the communication. This is one of those blogs like the one the woman did...who cooked all of the recipes in Julia Child's cookbook. It was something people could follow if they chose to. I didn't take the list TOO seriously when I saw Colour By Numbers listed. But the writer likes it and it's his list, so why get all flustered over his choices? And he never said his was a list of the 100 R&B or Soul albums you must have. (Message edited by motown_fan on June 04, 2010) | ||
Juicefree20 (juicefree20) 6-Zenith Username: juicefree20 Post Number: 14329 Registered: 4-2004 |
MotownFan: Touche' Excellent point. | ||
glencro (glencro) 6-Zenith Username: glencro Post Number: 1082 Registered: 4-2004 |
And the list continues | ||
Kevin Goins - KevGo (kevgo) 6-Zenith Username: kevgo Post Number: 6157 Registered: 4-2004 |
Stephanie: I did such a list several years ago with a fellow college alumni - and we did it just for fun. Believe me, it's a royal pain in the ass because there are soooooo many albums I do like and my tastes are all over the map. I do feel that a list of albums that "people should have...or else" is really a sign of arrogance unless the person making the list has their tongue firmly placed in their left or right cheek. Let's just say I like what I like and it really doesn't need to be put into a list. Kevin Goins - KevGo | ||
Kevin Goins - KevGo (kevgo) 6-Zenith Username: kevgo Post Number: 6158 Registered: 4-2004 |
BTW: I do have the Culture Club album "Colour By Numbers" which I purchased while in high school. It is a fine album with some good songs outside of the hit singles ("Black Money" and "Changes Every Day" come to mind). While it was indeed a good album, is it REALLY a "must-have-or-else" record? If you dig the pop stuff of the '80s - maybe. Overall? Naaah! Kevin Goins - KevGo | ||
Mickey McIntosh (mickeymac) 5-Doyen Username: mickeymac Post Number: 365 Registered: 4-2008 |
That link didnt work for me. | ||
Soulster (soulster) 6-Zenith Username: soulster Post Number: 2853 Registered: 2-2007 |
I'm just going to wait until he has the list completed. So far, I like most of his picks. It will defiantly turn out to be better than most of those rockcentric lists we always get. | ||
cOzmic (cozmic) 6-Zenith Username: cozmic Post Number: 1347 Registered: 3-2005 |
I couldn't click further than the 2nd page. The other page-links don't work. I mainly collect funk, soul, latin, deephouse, 70s-80s aor and rare pressings on independent labels, so the "you better these have or else" don't work for me, lol, because a number of albums on that list don't interest me, no matter how important they are to a number of people. All kind of lists have been made through history, and from which they claim that it's the most essential of all time, but to each their own. | ||
cOzmic (cozmic) 6-Zenith Username: cozmic Post Number: 1349 Registered: 3-2005 |
I stand corrected and must honestly say that the choices so far on the first 2 pages are actually good, with a slight few albums i'll prolly might never get into, lol. I prefer though Luther's "For Always, Forever, For Love" above his 1985-album. The intro of "The Sweetest One" has such a great feel, and that's the particular production-sound which Luther and Marcus Miller used for singers like Aretha Franklin and Cheryl Lynn. So some problems with these lists is that i have multiple-fave albums with selective essential tracks of artists. (Message edited by cOzmic on June 24, 2010) | ||
Pshark (pshark) 6-Zenith Username: pshark Post Number: 2757 Registered: 1-2007 |
He added a few more | ||
jobeterob (jobeterob) 6-Zenith Username: jobeterob Post Number: 8539 Registered: 1-2005 |
LOL, well, Rolling Stone has done worse lists and this guy hasn't even put 30 LPs up yet. He better get into Motown or we're gonna pee on him! |
